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jasma{LB}GSFG, jojo{GS}, melina{GS}, shirin{SholGar}, inez{GS}
desiree{Algernon}, heavenscent{S} & penny{Kyo}

Becoming a Trainer

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ if anyone wishes to bring up something.. the floor's open..
one topic at a time though please.
and please keep cross talk in whispers so it's easier for jojo to scribe..

jojo{GS}~~~ well, jojo doesn't have a topic, persay, but a question...how would a slave, lets say me, go about becoming a trainer?

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ to become a trainer it's put up to a vote between myself and the other trainers.. as well as Master SabreWolf.. usually those that have been part of GS for awhile.. either personally owned or tavern owned.

jojo{GS}~~~ *listens to jas and smiles* alright, i was just curious, thank you for explaining...*nods* the floor is yours now...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ you're welcome jojo.. hope that answers it for you..
anyone else have anything to bring up?

melina{GS}~~~ *shakes her head* too new to have any questions

jojo{GS}~~~ *grins* mel, no one is ever too new to not have questions...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ well just think mel.. something may click that you need to ask..

Jealousies with girls on a chain

heavenscent{S}~~~ heaven has a question *~ might i?

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ of course heaven.. ~listening~

heavenscent{S}~~~ ~*inhaling softly~* wondering exactly where to begin...
the wonder revolves mostly around girls in a chain ~*
jealousies and such ~* thriving for the focus of One Master...did any here,ever have to deal with such?

penny{Kyo}~~~ heaven, penny has been there, done that, especially when Master had his training room for slaves between homes... there were always at least five or six around who needed his time, and that was a challenge, as Master's r/t family needed him as well and he doesn't like to shortchange anyone....

heavenscent{S}~~~ ~*looking to penny ~* did you ever feel His Masterery lacked, couldnt spread Himself across 5 or 6 slaves....?

melina{GS}~~~ It is hard for the slaves, and the Master, often He can't help it, but try not to compete, it makes it harder in that, it becomes vicious, your no longer sisters, but a pack of dogs hunting (excuse the metaphor). depending on the Master, some take notice of the smaller things, talk to the others sisters, let them know how you feel, perhaps they fell like that too, if so, work out a routine that you all get equal time, if He favours one, then that cannot be helped

melina{GS}~~~ if the chain consits of true kajira (like what is here) then Mastery should not lack, they should be obedient to His every wish, whether it is strict or not sis

penny{Kyo}~~~ *thinking for a moment*
Well, heaven, he tried to spend time with each girl, and had his favorites... penny never does see much of him online, so that has never been an issue... penny would say that there were rivalries and jealousies, and squabbles over time, though between those in his house collar.

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~listening to the answers to heavens' question.. nodding at the responses~

melina{GS}~~~ *smiles to comfort heavenscent*
this one has had the misfortune to be in a chain in both Rl and Vt, both times there were many fights, she was fg with the rl, and she never had a moments rest till she organised it so each girl had some time with Him, only then did they realise it was fruitless to fight, it got them no where

heavenscent{S}~~~ ....heaven wondered of this ~ a girl knows the Master wishes not to get involved ~ but imagined He was lured in, by favorites or naughty girls....

penny{Kyo}~~~ Okay, from Master's mouth... He says that five or six was sort of crazy, and that he feels more comfortable with chains of two or maybe three, but that is sort of pushing it... He says that it was very difficult to juggle adequate time and attention, as he was not only training the girls, but liked spending time just talking with them all...

melina{GS}~~~ a comment, most likely out of place, but she will say it anyway
No Master is 'lured' in, that is Bull****, He takes and ko'lars the slaves, that is HIS Choice, not a slaves~

melina{GS}~~~ *blushes*
sorry for the outburst

penny{Kyo}~~~ *agreeing with melina*
Very true. Masters do as they wish, and if the slaves are unhappy, tough toenails. *grinning*
To keep a well balanced chain, though, it is best for the girls in it to try to get along, though it can be very hard to share... we've explored in r/t the possibilities of polyamory, and go back and forth on whether or not we could handle the emotions responsibly...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~smiling as penny responds~.. it would be very difficult to have so many to train and wish to spend time with each one.. getting to know them.. for a Master is to know his property well.. and one or more may begin to feel slighted of their Owner's time.

heavenscent{S}~~~ ~*laughing softly~*
happens offen online melina....blend in alot of Mastery and some love..and it can be a leathal combination for the entire chain

jojo{GS}~~~ i tend to agree with you melina. Master's make Their own decisions on who to kolar and who not to kolar, Most of Them knowing full well what They are getting into when They kolar a girl...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~chuckling softly~.. slave class is open to all opinions sis.. don't be afraid to speak your mind..

melina{GS}~~~ if a Master is that lax to make up a pathetic excuse that He was lured in...then He too is to suffer the consequences, but it hurts a lot of people with that move, mostly His chain, slaves are people too, and love their Masters without question, so it hurts more when He questions them, or says such crap

heavenscent{S}~~~ ~*watching the conversation brew~* smiling softly...
of course ~ a girl is only at His feet,because a Master wishes it to be so ~ and she is pleasing...
heaven watched a chain go nuts today ~* and was really stirred by the whole scene ~shrugs~ interesting stuff

penny{Kyo}~~~ It is a Master's duty to care for his property, but the squabbles between girls tend not to be something that a Master should get involved in...
penny saw it from her point of view as a slave, but Master could sometimes be oblivious to the goings on, like girls thwacking each other over the head in friendly play with a broom during chores, etc... *chuckling*

jojo{GS}~~~ i often wonder why Some Master's put up with slaves acting like princesses...i just hate that...

melina{GS}~~~ a slave, by defination, is Owned by Him, she keeps her place, which is lower than the dirt on His boot, she must prove herself worthy of His ko'lar, of Him, and of Those around Him, she must be His property, she owns nothing, not her thoughts, not her body, soul, or mind..it is Owned by Him

penny{Kyo}~~~ *shaking her head and laughing*
oooh, jojo, don't get penny started on that subject.... but every Master will do as he pleases with his property, and it isn't for slaves to ask or wonder why.

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ i think that goes back to the fact that some Masters aren't truly Masters, jojo.. my opinion only..

jojo{GS}~~~ aye melina...and yet some slaves act like they own the Master...

jojo{GS}~~~ i tend to agree with you on that jasma...

penny{Kyo}~~~ *raising an eyebrow*
A catfight in a chain? Any bloodshed? *chuckling* Watching chain sissies squabble is like watching children trying to get along... as long as limbs are intact, no reason for worry... *cheerful smiles*

melina{GS}~~~ then their Master is too weak to see that....perhaps He should take ko'lar Himself, mel knew a situtaion like that, and He saw He was not a Master, and took ko'lar...that is bravery, and took courage, He released His girl, explained it to her, she had felt that too, and told Him, she helped Him become one of the best kajirus this one has ever met

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ because some girls can be very manipulative jojo.. look at Elinor in Captive of Gor.. she tried to be very manipulative.. but then.. when it came down to it.. her manipulations had no effect whatsoever.. she was owned by Masters..

penny{Kyo}~~~ *chuckling*
Slaves can be high spirited, and yet still be submissive...
And as for Elinor... *grinning* Well, not only was she manipulative, she was just plain stupid at times... (thinking of how she repeatedly theived berries... tsk, tsk)

melina{GS}~~~ mel will shut up now...she has plenty of opionions, they vary but have the same thing in them
Urth Men are not Masters
Gorean Men are Masters
All women are slaves to different degrees, we are complete slaves, to be Owned, to be used, to know that He watches our every move, as we prove ourselves to Him. we are nothing without Him, and everything with Him. He has the Power to take all that away

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ well i agree with you on that, penny.. she was stupid.. but just think.. till she was actually caught and had penalty brands.. she actually thought she was getting away with it.. LOL..~shaking head~..

melina{GS}~~~ Rising to Him, she whispers so softly, only He can hear, "she is beast, and the beast is His, she lives every moment in waking fear, eternally grateful to He who holds her neck clapped in His Steel, knowing that He is the One that lets her live another moment, breathe another breath, and be with Him another moment, and the Man, that she belongs to forever is You."*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ excellent melina.. ~smiling~.. very good.. very true..

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ anything else that needs to be said about this?

jojo{GS}~~~ i think mel summed it up for us..*smiling*

On Protocol

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ok.. if no one else has anything to bring up on this..
i thought it would be a good idea with all the new GS slaves here, to cover some of the slave rules.. last week we went through some of the protocols, such as requesting permission to PM, but i thought we'd cover a bit more this week..
first off..
anyone tell me the new greeting order.. ?

jojo{GS}~~~ *waving hand..* ohh ohh, i can....

penny{Kyo}~~~ New greeting order:
Male pledged
Male visitors
pledged FW
visiting FW

melina{GS}~~~ Master Kyoto told mel to greet the Captains first, in chair order then the Male advisor, then any patronsing Men, then vistors, then Female advisors, patronsing FW then visting FW, then lastly slaves....phew a lot to say there

jojo{GS}~~~ well gee, since none waited to be called on...*giggling* Advisors
FM Patrons
FM Visitors
FW Patrons
FW Visitors

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ok.. what's the chair order of the Captains.. ???

penny{Kyo}~~~ Master Rollo
Master Marius
Master Sabrewolf
Master Shadowglade
Master Ceredigawn Durst
Master Lemuel

jojo{GS}~~~ *smiling as she replies*
Master Rollo, Master Marius, Master Sabrewolf, Master Shadowglade, Master Ceredigawn Durst and Master Lemuel...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ aye, penny, jojo and melina.. very good.. ~s~..

jasma{OK.. another thing i wanted to mention..
not very often does Gorean Shores put a ban on people from being in the Tavern.. or at least *dead* in the Tavern's eyes.. i was told to bring up the fact that there's one that still pops in on occasion.. His name is Dak, but according to the Captains he's *dead*.. He's not to be greeted.. served.. etc..

penny{Kyo}~~~ Okay, girls, this is the protocol...
If Dak or any other ghost whispers to you, c&p the whisper for the council, and place him on ignore.
Talking with him only encourages him.

penny{Kyo}~~~ *looking around to see if there are any more questions on Dak*
He doesn't seem to pester girls who know better, but has a habit of plaguing new girls to the tavern.

jojo{GS}~~~ well, He hasn't said anything to jojo yet...maybe He doesn't like my name *shrugs* all the better for me!

penny{Kyo}~~~ *chuckling to jojo*
Once you have steel around your neck, he seems to back off...

Training exercises/serves/chores

penny{Kyo}~~~ penny has a topic, if anyone is interested...
she knows that when she was first new to the tavern, we'd do oodles of training excercises in the tavern... practicing coffling, position pop quizzes, etc... when times are slow, it keeps activity brewing, rather than sitting about on one's bum or washing dishes for the umpteenth time, when there haven't been any patrons to dirty any... *chuckling*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ anyone have anything else to bring up? i think that's all i wanted to say.. for now.. ~l~

penny{Kyo}~~~ Whoops, penny forgot the question part of her statement... *laughing*
What do you guys think of practicing in front of the Free? positions, dances, etc?

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~laughing~.. i thought it was a real long post pen.. i was waiting for the question part.. ~g~..
practicing in front of the Free.. especially by their command is more beneficial to the slaves, i believe.

penny{Kyo}~~~ Playing games together to quiz each other on serves or positions not only reinforces the information for the girls who are new to the GS menu and protocol, but it can be informative to new Free just learning as well... *grins*

penny{Kyo}~~~ Another thing that can be fun with so many coming into the GS chain can be practicing two slave serves... working on coordinating serving several items, or serving large groups... Everyone learns something, and there tends to be a lot of friendly hustle and bustle with two people in serve together....

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding once again in agreement with penny on the two slave serves~..
it gives a variety to how we do things.. same elements.. but with more of how a Taven might do things..

jojo{GS}~~~ would love to see group serves and multi item serves...perhaps the Tavern can have a feast, and us slaves can post cooking all the scrumptious foods?

penny{Kyo}~~~ Even without a special occasion, multi serves and posting of cooking can be a daily occurence... if someone is in the tavern in the early morn, the blackwine needs made... when Master was working outside of the home, she'd meet him in the tavern every morning and get the blackwine going... it oft appears that the food and drink just magically apppear out of nowhere... *grinning*
pen remembers she and jas shaking furs and feeding the sleen and such... it doesn't al have to get reported and posted, but there is always something that can be done to liven up the room a bit...

jojo{GS}~~~ *nods* like me picking those wildflowers and setting the to the tables...*smiles*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding~.. aye pen.. i remember that as well.. makes for good roleplay and even with it not being posted on the board.. it does liven up the room..
and when people do chores.. they usually end up washing dishes.. or doing the floors.. don't forget there's also cleaning the alcoves.. replacing the oil in the lamps.. going down to the kennel and raking up the old straw and placing new down.. etc.

penny{Kyo}~~~ Exactly... *smiling at jojo* That was nice to read on the boards... though one never knows what will happen to flowers when the rowdy paga drinkers come in and get a few drinks under their belts... *winking*

jojo{GS}~~~ *laughs* hey, i just filled the oil lamps today, and raked the sandpit and wiped of the shelves in the servery...*nods lots*

jojo{GS}~~~ jojo was just telling Master Knight last eve of how she was going to start coming into the Tavern irregardless of whether or not A/any where here...to do chores, study, practice dances and such...

penny{Kyo}~~~ pen knows that she has been remiss in getting here, when her pregnancy was keeping her in bed 24/7, and it is wooonderful to be back and have this opportunity to talk to people over the height of four feet tall!
*beaming appreciatively to her beeoooteeful sissies*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ also.. there was a time that once a week the girls made a special dish and posted the making of the dish on the main GS board.. we stopped that as well since there'd be weeks and no one would do their *dish*... either a meal or a dessert..

penny{Kyo}~~~ jojo, that is how penny got some of her very best dances written... just practicing alone in the empty tavern... *smiling encouragingly*

penny{Kyo}~~~ jas, penny likes the cooking idea... can that get started again?

jojo{GS}~~~ *grins wickedly* jojo danced for Master Knight last eve..i do believe His eyes almost popped out of their sockets as He watched me...and He was just as soaked with sweat as i was when i finished..*nodding as she laughs*

penny{Kyo}~~~ *chuckling*
That's the way to do it, jojo... get those yummy Masters hot and steamy!

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ good jojo.. that's great to hear sis.

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding~.. yes penny.. i'll have to make a list with the girls and set up a rotating schedule again.. but with so many girls now.. that would be a wonderful way to give everyone a chance at showing off some cooking skills.. *s*

About the slave meetings

penny{Kyo}~~~ Do all the slaves know about meetings here on Wednesdays? Maybe a shakeup reminder with jas holding a switch and waving it wildly might be in order to up the attendance a wee bit....

jojo{GS}~~~ ohhh, jas with a switch, waving it in the air..*giggles* i don't know, some may just think she's crazy?!

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ shirin reminded the girls the other day penny..
and this is the best turn out it's been in a long time.. ~s~..
the switch thing.. they'd just think i was crazy.. LOL
~picking it up and looking at the tavern girls.. ~

penny{Kyo}~~~ *winking to jojo*
Hey, she has switch rights over all of us... pen would like to see more people at these meetings... she had thought they had stopped for a while, and is glad to see them still in full swing... *smiles*

penny{Kyo}~~~ Awww, a shake of the switch is never a bad thing... it's like why the US has nuclear weapons... we aren't going to use them, but the threat is enough to keep other countries in line... *grinning*

inez{GS}~~~ or, some of us might decided to be naughty to see about having jas put the switch to use *lol*

jojo{GS}~~~ what's the point of having a nuc, err, i mean a switch if you can't use it though? *grinning impishly*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ they hadn't stopped only during holiday break pen..but there was times that there'd be no one here, after waiting 30 minutes.. i'd leave..
even if at times we seem to cover some of the same things, perhaps there may be one thing that would be new to someone that hadn't been here before..
yes.. i know the notes are kept.. ~winking to jojo~.. but how else can one really get to know the other girls.. unless you're here..

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ well think of it this way inez.. you've been bad and your parents tell you to go outside and pull a switch from the tree.. it's gonna hurt.. *L*..

Slave Wine

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ now i know it just seems like we took slave wine not too long ago. but next week.. ~s~.. i believe it's time again to do so..
what's slave wine made of?

penny{Kyo}~~~ *chirping*
Sip root... ick...

jojo{GS}~~~ sip root...*blurting out*

penny{Kyo}~~~ *grinning*
Though penny doesn't need slave wine while she's lactating... whooooooeeeee!
*wiggling her butt and doing a happy dance*

jojo{GS}~~~ *grumbles, scrolling down seeing penny answered first again...* damn, foiled again...*laughs*

{LB}GSFG 20:45:18 CST

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ anyone know the difference in lasting effect between the raw sip root or drinking it in slave wine?
yes.. time again des.. ~s~..

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~listening to see if any answers inez's question~..

penny{Kyo}~~~ Raw sip root is stronger, lasts longer... but is quite bitter....
The technology in slave wine has improved over the course of time, and now its effects are quite extended, though once a month dosing certainly doesn't hurt... *grimacing*

penny{Kyo}~~~ inez, slave wine is a contraceptive... it is made from a plant called sip root, and prevents conception until an antidote is given....

jojo{GS}~~~ jas, raw sip root would make a slave permenantly sterile right? drinking it in slave wine only acts as a contraceptive for a given period of time...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ this is what i have in quotes on slave wine:

A bitter root, which can either be made into a liquid contraceptive, or chewed, for the same result. The effect of the sip root, in most women is effective for three or four months. In the concentrated state, as in slave wine, developed by the caste of Physicians, the effect is almost indefinate, usually requiring a releaser for it remission, usually administered, to a slave, in what is called the breeding wine, or the second wine"
Marauders of Gor, page 23

She did not need the sip root, of course, for, as she had pointed out. she had had some within the moon, and, indeed, the effect of the sip root, in the raw state, in most women, is three or four moons. In the concentrated state, as in slave wine, developed by the caste of Physicians. the effect is almost indefinite, usually requiring a releaser for its remission, usually administered, to a slave, in what is called the breeding wine, or "second wine". When this is administered, she usually knows she has been selected for crossing with a handsome male slave.
Blood Brothers of Gor, page 319

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ no. not permanently sterile in either form, jojo.. the releaser.. second wine, breeding wine, would counteract the effects of the contraceptive..

penny{Kyo}~~~ Whoops, pen had it backward with the strength, but that makes sense, as when the root would steep, it would be stronger, and if engineered and manipulated by the Physicians, would be better still... *cheerful smiles*
Thanks for the quote, jas...

jojo{GS}~~~ oh, okies jas..well, i wasn't too sure on it, but it sounded good to me at the time..*grins*

Tavern Tattler/Email Addy Page

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ also one thing i do want to bring up.. i'll be posting a reminder on the board about the online publication of the Tattler.. deadline to submit articles will be Friday the 7th of March.. submit them to either to:
jasma{LB}GSFG or Tavern Tattler

penny{Kyo}~~~ Any suggestions, jas, as to articles needed? pen is happy to write for you....

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ well des has submitted an article.. *s*
and topaz is to be doing the GS happenings section..
anything informative for the new slaves to learn from would be great penny..
as well as perhaps trying to interview Master Forest if you can?

jojo{GS}~~~ jojo would be happy to write any articles needed too..*smiles*

penny{Kyo}~~~ Sure, that would be fine, jas... Master Forest tends to be up in what is our early morning, so pen will try to catch him if she can...
And she'll think of something to write on and drop you a line in the next 24 ahn or so, for your approval before she writes it....

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ that would be great penny.. thank you
also.. ~s~.. jojo.. any poems.. stories.. songs.. limericks.. stuff like that.. gorean in nature.. would be great also..

jojo{GS}~~~ oh, absoulutely jas, jojo is sure to come up with some things of that sort..she will ask around to the other girls as well and try to gather some for the Tattler...*smiles big*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ALSO.. ~now i can't shut up~
i took over doing the GS email addy page.. if you want your email address added.. just send me an email to let me know the page is located at Emails

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ well.. unless anyone can think of something else to bring up.. i call slave discussions to a close for this week..

jojo{GS}~~~ good discussion..i enjoyed it immensely *nodding*

penny{Kyo}~~~ jas, pen is grateful for this opportunity, and just wants to tell you thank you for your time in doing this, week after week... she knows that you have a family, too, yet you are always here for everyone. *hugs*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~hugging penny back~.. and it's so wonderful to see you back also pen.. i know many of us were worried so much about you while you were on bed rest..
and i do it.. cause i love GS.. ~s~..

slave discussions came to a close at 20:58:21