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jasma{LB}GSFG, lara{HoS}, wilksilk{JS}, desiree{Algernon}, kanda{HoS}
mischief{WH}, shirin{SholGar}, & penny{Kyo}


jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ Lets get this discussion on the road, shall we?
Before i get into the topic that shirin had posted on the board, does anyone have anything to bring up?

kanda{HoS}~~~ *settles down and listens to sis jas*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ a reminder for all..
please try to keep all greetings in pms.. unless someone else wants to scribe the notes.. ~g~..

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~looking around~
nothing from anyone?

kanda{HoS}~~~ *hmmm ...can't think of anything*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ok.. the topic posted on the board was about whips..
can anyone tell me some of the various whips used?

desiree{Algernon}~~~ ooh...good question

kanda{HoS}~~~ kanda knows we aren't allowed to touch them unless we use them in a dance then we must beg permission

lara{HoS}~~~ only whips lara knows are the ones that hurt...giggles...not sure what they are called

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~chuckling softly~..
all whips would cause some sort of pain lara..
shirin posted three different types on the message board. anyone read the message?

lara{HoS}~~~ uh lara is bad, she is not good at lookin at the boards...

kanda{HoS}~~~ snake whip?

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ok one.. we have a regular slave whip.. can anyone describe that?

kanda{HoS}~~~ is it cause it snakes out and bites ya

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ok kanda good.. The snake.. can you describe it?

kanda{HoS}~~~ this whip knife..it sounds bad

kanda{HoS}~~~ not sure..but imagine it would have a sturdy handle and a long long whip part..

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ yes, kanda.. there's also the whip knife

wildsilk{JS}~~~ There are some with multipal flogging parts, though not very long

kanda{HoS}~~~ sis to be honest...thought there was only one whip..is the snake whip used when a slave takes the GS kolar to begin with?

kanda{HoS}~~~ remember when kanda joined so many years ago ..the whip was used on her at same time she was branded

mischief{WH}~~~ a short leather whip more like mmmm a leather paddle (so to speak)...and the slave whip...about three feet long, two blades about 2" wide each...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~listening to m's~

mischief{WH}~~~ Those are the two that are most prevalent....

kanda{HoS}~~~ *listening*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ what about the kurt, m's?

mischief{WH}~~~ (the short one is a slave kurt)...it's shorter, thicker with harder leather...mmm saddle type of leather

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ The Kurt:

Eta lifted up a stout whip, with a long handle, which might be wielded with two hands, and five dangling, soft, wide lashing surfaces, each about a yard long. "Kurt," she said. I shrank back. "Kurt," I repeated.
Slave Girl of Gor, pages 82-83


mischief{WH}~~~ i thought that was the typical slave whip (see what i know *LOL*)

wildsilk{JS}~~~ This girl read some where about stingy whips and thuddy whips

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ i'd think they all may make a thud, wildsilk.. but as well sting when hitting the flesh..
kanda.. that's the kind of whip that was more than likely used on you when you first were whipped in the Tavern.. or a two or three bladed whip..

mischief{WH}~~~ Sometimes...(especially when you are turned away from the whip..or blindfolded) it's not the actually hit to the skin that's as bad as the sound of the leather flying through the air and the anticipation of it hitting you...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ can anyone describe the snake?

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding as i listen to m's~.. yes.. true.. i can understand that.

kanda{HoS}~~~ aye sis jas

kanda{HoS}~~~ wondered which whip it was They used


The snake is a single-bladed whip, weighted, of braided leather, eight feet long and about a half an inch to an inch thick. It is capable of lifting the flesh from a man's back. Sometimes it is set with tiny particles of metal...
The snake is to be distinguished from the much more common Gorean slave whip, with its five broad striking surfaces. The latter whip, commonly used on females, punishes terribly; it has, however, the advantage of not marking the victim. No one is much concerned, of course, with whether or not a thrall is marked.
Marauders of Gor, page 105

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ Now with the description of the snake there, one can tell that there's a huge difference in the two. The snake wouldn't normally be used on a female, because it could lift the skin right off the back.

mischief{WH}~~~ Hey that's a single tail...(r/t it takes months to Master and it is actually like an art form...most that use one practice with it daily and strangly the softer the whip is, the more it is able to be guided directly to the spot the weilder wishes it to hit..

wildsilk{JS}~~~ This is what this girl found......Quite often people in the scene describe whips as being "thuddy" or "stingy". Thuddy whips land with a solid impact; they shove you, they feel like a cross between a hug and a punch. Stingy whips land with a bite; they feel like a cross between a scratch and a slap. Both kinds of sensation are enjoyable in different ways, and a skilled top can alternate thud and sting (and then some!) to create waves of sensation that wash their bottom into ecstasy.

mischief{WH}~~~ The thicker the tail, the more "thuddy" the hit...the thinner the tail the more they fuckin STING

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ahhh but wildsilk.. you're speaking more in terms of a Dom(me)/sub relationship.. not a Gorean Master/slave relationship..
The whip on Gor was used to punish.. not as a means of enticement.. enjoyment.. etc.. not that i've learned, anyway

wildsilk{JS}~~~ *grins at mischief* This girls son made a whip out of fishing line, it had the most wonderful crack, you didn't feel it hit, but by geeeez you felt it, like a thousand wasps all hitting in a line

mischief{WH}~~~ i'm wondering about that jaz (although He has specificaly said that in some books) He also says that most alcoves were stocked with whips, chains and such....(seems a tad contridictory....well like MOST of His books are *giggling*)

mischief{WH}~~~ ~nodding to wildsilk~ makes a huge difference...how it's weilded, length and with of tails and the materal it's made out of...big big differences

kanda{HoS}~~~ aye sis jas..you are correct indeed..in Gor whips are meant tp punish not entice

kanda{HoS}~~~ its what kanda was told anyways..

kanda{HoS}~~~ slaves show fear of the whip in Gor

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding as i listen~
yes, m's.. he was contradictory in his writings.. but also.. wasn't the whips in the alcoves used as disciplinary devices?

mischief{WH}~~~ dosen't say...says they were stalked with them...it does however mention a few occasions when girls were disciplined with them...(i suppose it's a case of, whatever floats your boat behind closed...mmm "curtains")

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding~.. besides.. i'd rather have a whip of the furs.. ~l~

kanda{HoS}~~~ *giggles* whip of the furs

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ anyone tell me what the Whip Knife is?

wildsilk{JS}~~~ this girl can only think of a knife that cleans the whip

kanda{HoS}~~~ not sure sis...sounds painful at any rate

mischief{WH}~~~ don't mmmm knock it until you try it...both pain and pleasure follows the very same nerve conductors...so if you feel one, you can't feel the other (meaning if you have just a little pain and a LOT of pleasure it will highten pleasure and not feel "painful" in the typical sense) the only thing you need to watch is the ratio of pain to pleasure..if pain overcomes pleasure that's what you will feel

mischief{WH}~~~ (i keep trying to convice jaz to try it, she keeps telling me i'm off my rocker *WEG*)

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~listening~..
A whip knife is a whip with razors embedded in the tip. It's unique to Port Kar.

The two drunken seamen were now cutting away wildly, at one another, with whip knives....
The whip knife is a delicate weapon, and can be used with elegance, with finesse; it is, as far as I know, unique to Port Kar.
Raiders of Gor, page 109

wildsilk{JS}~~~ O U C H!

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ didn't say you were off your rocker m's.. just said.. to each their own.. ~l~

lara{HoS}~~~ ewwww time to pack a girls kennel and move far from port kar...ouchies..

kanda{HoS}~~~ *wrinkles her nose at sis's description of whip knife...shivering*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ it would definitely scar a slave..
there was one once in GS that it was used on

mischief{WH}~~~ well no wonder i didn't remember whip knife's they're not used on girls *L*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~chuckling at m's~..

mischief{WH}~~~ my goodness lara, m's didn't know you were here you were so quiet *smiling*

lara{HoS}~~~ shhhhhhh when it comes to whips, then one stays in the corner quiet....

mischief{WH}~~~ i think it sounds worse then it is (EXCEPT when there is one PISSED or disappointed Master at the other end of the whip...then it is worse then you can possibly imagine)

kanda{HoS}~~~ *smiles at sis lara..nodding..* if kanda saw a Master with a whip..she'd crawl under the furs..*giggles*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding at m's~.. exactly.. and no matter how much a girl enjoys pain.. if there's a pissed Master at the other end of the whip.. there would be much pain and not tingling pleasure..
my opinion only.

mischief{WH}~~~ ~closing her eyes and thinking back~ there was once, where she had a VERY angry Master facing her, and she remembers all she wanted to do in this world was crawl in the corner and try to make herself "small"...and yet, it was my duty bow and offer Him my back....

mischief{WH}~~~ it's not the pissed Master that's the worst...it's the disappointed One...god that makes you wanna just curl up and cry anyway, and the pain of the whip is nothing compaired to the pain in your heart

wildsilk{JS}~~~ Double folded punishiment then, pain on the outside from the whip, pain on the inside for being displeasing

kanda{HoS}~~~ kanda thinks the pain of the heart far outweighs any physical pain a Master could inflict

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~agreeing~.. i agree m's.. punishment itself physically is truly nothing compared to the emotional part of it.. or the ignoring.. the disappointment seen..

wildsilk{JS}~~~ *nods*

mischief{WH}~~~ Personally, i agree completely with kanda...inface a Master that whips me when He is displeased or disappointed with me is much more merciful to me then one that lets me alone just saying to me "I'm so disappointed in you"....see once THEY weild the whip it is over for them...for me the anquish lasts MUCH MUCH longer

Testing 1...2...3

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ shall we move on?

kanda{HoS}~~~ aye sis...move on

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ok.. moving on..
since lara said she has forgotten alot of stuff.. and m's just LOVES me testing her..
i thought.. i'd quiz you girls..

lara{HoS}~~~ giggles...sittin up straight, now she likes this idea...

mischief{WH}~~~ oh great, everyone loves a pop quiz *sighing dramaticlly*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ these are for anyone:
name 3 different types of brands?

mischief{WH}~~~ dina flower, kef and a tuckuk

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~pushing m's over~

kanda{HoS}~~~ hmmmm..knowing one only...

mischief{WH}~~~ how about the belly under the sword? *winkin* Northern brand

kanda{HoS}~~~ *whispers* gee sis lara..kandas forgot some too

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ very good, m's..
what drink has stinging spices and juices in it?
what does the term *slave oils* mean?
what's a coin girl?

lara{HoS}~~~ kalda...

mischief{WH}~~~ coin girl is a slave that literally has a coin box around her neck and can be used for usually a bit

lara{HoS}~~~ thats the only answer lara knows..

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ excellent lara..
good job m's

mischief{WH}~~~ well slave oil either means....well...mmmm sex "dampness" or the oils put upon a slave to make her more enticing as she is "dressed"

kanda{HoS}~~~ *knew the answers that were already given*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ what counteracts the effect of slave wine?
what's a vulo?

wildsilk{JS}~~~ vulo is a chicken or fowl

mischief{WH}~~~ type of bird (like a chicken/pigeon)

wildsilk{JS}~~~ and second wine?

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ sula, kanda
~nodding~.. yep m's..

lara{HoS}~~~ vulo chicken

kanda{HoS}~~~ aye vulo is like a chicken

mischief{WH}~~~ breeding wine

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ yep m's and wildsilk.. good job on both answers..
lara.. bara

kanda{HoS}~~~ *kneeling back..hair teasing the tiles behind her... her thighs open...her body arched*

lara{HoS}~~~ bara...she wants to say a position...but not sure

kanda{HoS}~~~ *hopes kanda is right...sula is short for sula ki?*

mischief{WH}~~~ ~whispering~ she wants you to get into the posture lara

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ what's a kirtle?
what's the term Cities of Dust mean?
whom are Priest-Kings?

kanda{HoS}~~~ Cities of dust means kinda like eternity..death

mischief{WH}~~~ ~putting her fingers to her forehead and wiggling them around like antenna~ i am mischief, formally of the priest kings (giggling, sorry, you gotta watch the movies to get that one)...they are golden bugs that live in the Sadar Mountains...

lara{HoS}~~~ city of Dust is where dead are...
Priest kings are eyes everywhere..

kanda{HoS}~~~ after one passes from this world

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ yes, it's a position lara.. but.. as m's said.. ~smiling~.. do it.. ~l~
hmm kanda.. and if a Master was here, is that how you would do it? again..
and.. no sula-ki position..

mischief{WH}~~~ city of dust is where the dead go...a kirtle is what mischief is wearing...~standing up, letting the beautiful white wool hug her body. Pressing her hands on her hips and beginning to roll the materal up until the hem of the skirt is high on her knees, the slit up the center deep, showing the beauty of the inside of her thighs~

kanda{HoS}~~~ hmmm ok sis

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ quit twirling your antenae, m's.. keep them hid.. LOL..
what's the slaver's caress?

mischief{WH}~~~ ~wiggling her back around, the girl adjusts the deep pluging neckline until it nearly shows her belly, letting the obvious generous cuves of her breasts be easily seen and within reach~

lara{HoS}~~~ ohhhhh shootttt, flips through her notes...HELP...she cant find the positions....please point her in the right directions...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~smiling at m's~..
what's the kirtle made from?

wildsilk{JS}~~~ is a slaver's caress done with a whip?

mischief{WH}~~~ sheeps wool i think (but don't quote me on that, i'm too busy out tending the flock there in Torvaldsland to watch the weavers *chuckling*)...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ http://goreanshores.50megs.com/positions.html
you'll have to copy and paste it in the browser window lara

kanda{HoS}~~~ *wrong one* laying on her back..thighs wide..hands laying at her sides palms up..ready to be used

mischief{WH}~~~ Yeah it is usually done with a whip...shows the girl's potential mmm "heat" as a slave

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ yes it is, wildsilk.. but for what purpose?
and.. yes.. i believe the animal is called the hurt, m's.. i think

lara{HoS}~~~ she scribbles...dang, its nice not bein on webtv..but shes a bit hard headed about learnin this puter

wildsilk{JS}~~~ This girl is wondering about chores also, she knows there are set things but are there set ways of doing them

mischief{WH}~~~ hurt, sheep, same thing *giggling*....all out in the feild, all shit and have to be fed and tended to *giggling*

kanda{HoS}~~~ is that right sis..like this...please forgive kanda..she has to study again..when she belonged to Master Kane..she got lax

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ or the position is done just for inspection kanda.. either way

kanda{HoS}~~~ ok sis

mischief{WH}~~~ Moving to her knees to help, mischief places her belly to the ground, gasping at the cool of the stones. Turning her head to the left, her hair pooling about her face, the girl lifts her wrists and slides them behind her back, crossing them over the gentle swell of her ass. Legs straight out, pressing upon the floor, the girl crosses delicate ankles, ready to be bound~

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ no particular way, wildsilk..
aye m's.. shit either way.. LOL
gotta study kanda..

kanda{HoS}~~~ aye study study study

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ very nicely done, m's..
now.. lara.. tower
kanda.. display
m's.. high harness
shirin.. kneel to the whip
and wildsilk.. nadu

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ and do these as if there was a Master in the room.. don't get lax..

mischief{WH}~~~ (Not a huge description of this in the books BUT)....~rising from the floor, the girl quickly brushes herself off and reaches her knees. Staying tall upon her knees the girl lifts her head high, proudly showing the black iron collar upon her neck...(normally the girl would be leashed when commaned into this position)~

kanda{HoS}~~~ *stands...one foot placed before the other...thighs parted a little..standing tall..arching breasts forward..hands pulling back a slaves hair...clasping it behind her head to expose her neck..*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding at m's~.. and thank you for the explanation hon..
very good..
and if you were standing.. the position would be the same.. except you'd be fully upright.. ~s~

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~jumps on her knees and moves forward quick, lowering her upper body down, bending at slender waist to put her forehead to the floor, kneeling, folding her arms beneath her breasts as if bound, the bow of her back exposed to the whip~*~

wildsilk{JS}~~~ *folds down upon slaves knees, muscular thighs parted wide, revealing soft glistening petals touched with morning dew, rounded ass, cradled in the cup made by delicate feet. Blond curls caress supple straight spine, head tilted up with pride to whom she serves, leaf green eyes hidden behind eyelids respectfully lowered, firm breast arching foward, round shoulders pulled back, long fingers resting palm upward upon thighs.*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding at both kanda and shirin~.. good girls.. kanda.. a bit more description perhaps.. ~smiling~..
hey penny.. do the breast feeding position.. ~chuckling~.. no.. hmmm.. ~looking~..

mischief{WH}~~~ aye, exactly, probably something like...~legs shoulder width apart. Arching her back slightly, the curve of her body delicate and completely female, the girl lifts her head proudly, long red curls lick down her back as if rushing for her ass. Eyes bright and wide as she proudly displayes the black iron, rivited about her neck~

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ nicely done wildsilk..

mischief{WH}~~~ errrrrrrr the breast feeding posture?? ~thumbing through my books and giggling~

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding at m's.. ~.. thank you.

penny{Kyo}~~~ *dropping to the floor, her knees pressed together, she presses her forehead down to the floor, happy to close her eyes again.... smothering sleepy yawns as she tries to wake up*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~looking to m's~.. and is that any worse than me asking for a *karta*???

mischief{WH}~~~ ~snickering~ No and You KNOW my personal pet peave about a "karta" being "required" to beg entrance to GS

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~smiling at pen~.. if i had known you were gonna close your eyes.. i'd have given you another position.. *LOL*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ is the term actually on the GS homepage, m's? i've looked and looked and can't find it..

mischief{WH}~~~ Fuck, i dunno jaz, but there are a few Free that have said it is and that it is "required" to beg entrance to GS using a "karta"

penny{Kyo}~~~ *winking to jaz*
How about we give penny the snoozling position? Or you could put penny in bara... though she'd be likely to get kicked by a Master if she started to snore... *grinning*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ i know and i can't find it m's.. nor do i like the term used.. and have been correcting slaves when they call it that.

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~reaches over to tickle mm, smiling at her~ no sorry's sis, shirin understands

kanda{HoS}~~~ ok sis..

mischief{WH}~~~ hate it hate it hate it...but i try to keep my feelings of a "karta" to myself *giggling playfully*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~chuckling at pen~.. or i could throw a blanket on you.. ~l~

wildsilk{JS}~~~ What is karta?

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ wildsilk.. do you know the slave liteny?

wildsilk{JS}~~~ Yes, would you like me to recite it ?

kanda{HoS}~~~ *sinking to her knees...as if before a Mistress..or maybe even a white silk...thighs tucked close together..back and shoulders straightt..head held high ...eyes lowered ou tof respect...firm breasts thrust forward an dup...small hands laying palms down on her silky thighs*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~hugging penny~.. well if you snore too loud.. i'm sure there's a few dung sacs around.. ~l~..
and *karta* wildsilk.. is a made up term.. one that was/is used to describe prostrating.. however.. in none of the books was that term ever used.. however.. people still use it often and many are trying to do away with it actually being used as a position.. since it really don't exist..

mischief{WH}~~~ wildsilk, i'd tell you what it is, but a karta dosen't exist...the closted thing TO a karta would be a position of Obeisance

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ yes, please wildsilk..
~nodding at kanda~.. thank you sis

mischief{WH}~~~ ~whispering~ as far as i can remember, sula ki isn't in the books either...nor is table

wildsilk{JS}~~~ He is Master and i am slave. He is Owner and i am owned, He commands and i obey, His is to be pleased and i am to please...Why is this?...Because He is Master and i am slave
... la kajira

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~smiling to m's~.. or to tile..

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ you're right m's.. neither of those are in the books either.. which is why i told kanda earlier, no sula ki..
thank you wildsilk.. very good

wildsilk{JS}~~~ no wonder a girl can't find anything about it then *winks*

penny{Kyo}~~~ *opening one eye to grin at mischief*
penny often mentions being in a position of obeisance when she "karta"'s...
*closing the lazy eye again, though still listening*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ well if no one else has anything to bring up tonight.. slave discussion will come to an end..
next week.. if nothing else comes up.. would like to cover some plant life..

mischief{WH}~~~ you are absolutly right penny (and a better woman then i, i am sure *impish grin*)

kanda{HoS}~~~ aye sis.... thanks for slave discussion tonight

mischief{WH}~~~ ~looking up from the tile, spreading her legs impishly~ are You done with me mistress? *giggling*....thank you for allowing me to attend your slave discussion...

wildsilk{JS}~~~ Aye this girl found it very informative, Thank you

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ i thank you all for coming this week and hope you at least walk out of here learning one thing..
m's.. as always it was a pleasure you being here..
wildsilk.. it was good to see you here.

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ it's not *mine* m's.. it's everyones.. and yes.. i'm done with ya.. LOL.. ~shaking head and kissing your cheek~

kanda{HoS}~~~ aye sis...very informative

penny{Kyo}~~~ *giving jazzy jas a hug for all of her time and effort*
Thank you for having the meetings, and penny is sorry for being late... maybe next time you can yoohoo Master to get him busy with a switch to get me up from napping.... *g*

mischief{WH}~~~ ~giggling~ perhaps, but YOU are the ring leader of this possee *playful look*