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jasma{LB}GSFG, penny{Kyo}, desiree{Algernon}, shirin{SholGar}, kila{Luc}p
& heavenscent{S}


shirin{SholGar}~~~ finished reading Fighting Slave and started on Rogue ~smiles~

penny{Kyo}~~~ Nifty! i'm reading Explorers, having not read it in forever, as we lost it when Master was taking it back and forth to work... we just got a new one in the mail, so it's been fun reading...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ did you like Fighting Slave, shirin?

penny{Kyo}~~~ *listening to see what shirin thought of Jason Marshall*

shirin{SholGar}~~~ loved it, just loved it, mistress
is that in book 15, Rogue, penny? He's just now searching for Beverly again

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~looks to penny~ yes He was rather a whimp at first, but He's learning....He tried to think too much and not go with His instints

penny{Kyo}~~~ i was disappointed in Jason's behavior in regards to Beverly... (wasn't that her name?) He should have dropped her straight into his own collar from Day 1.....

penny{Kyo}~~~ Well, yeah, he does get stronger, but his blind spot for Beverly just bugs me through all three of the Marshall books... i just about cheererd in the final book... *g*

jasma{LB}GSFG ~~~ i think you'll really enjoy Rogue, shirin.. you have Guardsman as well?

penny{Kyo}~~~ *grinning*
pen could book chat all night long...

shirin{ SholGar}~~~ nope, 15 is the last she owns in paperback, those she does have them in here ~pats her puter, winks~

penny{Kyo}~~~ shirin, pen can't remember the sequence of events for each book, just remembers the overall story as it spans the three... you'll like the final chapters of the third, though...

shirin{SholGar}~~~ as shirin reads she puts lil post-its all over and marks passages she likes ~giggles~

penny{Kyo}~~~ des, have you read any of the books that you might want to discuss? Maybe we could pick a good one from a slave's perspective to chat about and share with you if you haven't read one yet... *helpful smiles*

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~nods, smiling~ yes, she's sure she will penny...any story about slaves and Masters just make shirin happy ~winks~

penny{Kyo}~~~ pen does that, too, so she can actually find the quotes she's trying to remember... she used to fold corners down, till Master fussed...
*cringing in memory, then grinning*
pen also has a nasty habit of writing notes to herself in books as she reads them....

shirin{SholGar}~~~ hehehe, the printed pages shirin prints out, she highlights

desiree{Algernon}~~~i have read up to 16 *lol*
and i have skipped to Witness..*grinning*

penny{Kyo}~~~The only one we're missing is the one right before Magicians, i think... because pen had to infer some of what had happened to make Magicians and all of the rebuilding make sense...
What ever happened to the book lending library? Is it still in existence, jas?

shirin{SholGar}~~~i've loaned three of my books to lissa...that was a long time ago

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ aye, penny.. the lending library is still there.. i know lara has a book that serena was waiting on.. and i know heavenscent was waiting for one i have.. but i don't remember which one right now..

jasma{LB}GSFG ~~~ why don't each of you think about the books you have read.. and tell me.. which one was your favorite.. and i know it may be hard to choose one.. but try..
andddd tell me why it was your favorite..

penny{Kyo} ~~~ Master won't let books that we have only one of go out the door, as he's had them for twenty years or more for some of them.... but maybe he'd donate some that we have duplicates of... i know we have 2 copies of slave girl...

jasma{LB}GSFG ~~~ your personal books, shirin... or GS library ones?

shirin{SholGar}~~~ personal, jas

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ask Him penny.. and if so.. i can put Him up as a donator and put the book on the list???

desiree{Algernon}~~~ http://www.thegoreancave.com/research/quotes.shtml

penny{Kyo}~~~ *grinning*
Captive was one of pen's favorites, because Elinor was just sooooo stubborn and imperious, yet eventually succummed to her fate and not only was a true slave, but fell in love with her Master... and pen liked the look at the slave's interactions with each other in Captive...
Tarnsman has always been one of pen's favorites, though, because Talena was so feisty, and Tarl was so new...

desiree{Algernon}~~~ hmmm....i have some duplicates here myself

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ all i can suggest shirin is keep emailing her about them.. hopefully she will send them back

shirin{SholGar}~~~ Captive is still shirin's favorite
why? hummm...probably because it was from a slave's perspective showing the whole transformation of her into gorean slavery...and finding her true love Master ~s~

penny{Kyo}~~~ He says that's fine, the spine is broken and needs to be taped back together, and the pages fall out... but GS is welcome to it...

shirin{SholGar}~~~ oh yes, shirin's talked to lissa, she's just been busy in rt and doesn't have alot of time to read

penny{Kyo}~~~ pen will look and see what other duplicates we have... to participate, do we just have our address listed and mail it out directly, or should we send it to you to mail out if it's needed?

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ listening to penny~.. oh i agree about Captive.. it was one of my favorite books as well.. although i felt like slapping her a few times.. i was getting impatient while reading it.. wondering how long it would take her to understand.. LOL
i also enjoyed Marauders of Gor.. just the whole setting.. from Tarl/Bosk being an invalid.. to Him regaining strength and traveling North.. facing the Kur.. the bondsmaids.. it was a great book in my opinion.

desiree{Algernon}~~~ too bad we know longer have the book discussions...those were wonderful!

penny{Kyo}~~~ Oooh, pen felt sad at the beginning of Marauders... but did like the progression as well... when Tarl had no energy to live in his chair, it made pen put the book down and stop reading it for a bit...
pen also liked the book about the Tahari (can't remember the title, they all run together), and the travelling to the salt mines... it was a nice look at yet another culture on Gor... the Red Savages books were nice reading, too.... pen liked the girl herds.. *chuckling*

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~listens~ oh yes, Marauders was good too mistress...shirin has enjoyed many of them

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ That would be great des.. if you wanted to as well.. just send me a list of the duplicates..
~nodding~.. i'll try to remember to add the information penny..
and then if/when someone contacts you for the book.. you'd send it directly to them.. then.. when the next person wanted it.. it would continue on like that..
~nodding~.. well hopefully you will get them back shirin..

penny{Kyo}~~~ And pen agrees... elinor needed a good smacking... Oooh, did Ute show some major restraint in just letting elinor hang herself.....

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ Tribesmen, penny?
ohh and Savages and Blood Brothers were both good reading as well..

desiree{Algernon}~~~ *smiling*...will do that mistress

penny{Kyo}~~~ des, pen misses the book chats, too, though could never make it to the daytime ones....

penny{Kyo}~~~ *grinning*
Yep, Tribesman... i can tell you front to back what happened, but have the hardest time remembering the titles...

penny{Kyo}~~~ Though after you read about ten or so of JN's books, you can start guessing which character is going to fall into which stereotype, as to friend, leader of whatever group, etc, and they behave pretty predictably....

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding~.. oh Ute had excellent restraint..
oooohhh what about Nomads.. the humor in it.. Kamchak was excellent.. the love wars.. the Yellow Pool of Turia.. ~shaking head~
so many good books.. even if they're so repitative..

penny{Kyo}~~~ *nodding agreement*
The love wars made for great reading... it was fantastic when what's her name ended up becoming Kamchak's slave....

desiree{Algernon}~~~ has any one here read Witness?

penny{Kyo}~~~ Is witness #26? pen hasn't read it, but would like to....

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ Aphris, penny.. that was her name.. ~s~.. and i had to look.. i knew it started with an A though.. LOL
i have read Witness, des.. i enjoyed that too..

desiree{Algernon}~~~ mistress...did you happen to notice that it was many...many pages into the book before the word Master or slave was actually used? it was at least 200 pages into the book

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ yes, pen.. Witness is number 26
i can't wait for Prize of Gor to come out too..

penny{Kyo}~~~ *grinning*
Whew, pen is glad she's not the only one who didn't remember her name... we just had to move the books away from the computer, because Cat is now old enough to pick up whatever she comes across and give it a trial read, so we moved the Gor books out of easy reach...

shirin{SholGar}~~~ shirin loved the humor and turn about with the FW in Fighting Slave

penny{Kyo}~~~ Interesting about the words "Master" and "slave" not being used for so long.... what was the setting for Witness?

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding at des~.. and it kept jumping back and forth which at first, i thought my copy was totally screwed up.. lol, but once the story itself really got going.. i had a hard time putting the book down


penny{Kyo}~~~ There was good FW humor in Tribesman as well... where Tarl enslaved the woman who was supposedly holding him captive.. he was just so casual and firm about turning around and making her a slave instead....

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~listens, thinking~...see, shirin needs to go back and start re-reading from book one, some are foggy, tho she's read Captive twice already

penny{Kyo}~~~ *nodding*
They get foggy for pen, too.... though she can never seem to re-read from book one all the way through... pen gets interested in one that may be sitting in the bathroom (Master's reading room... *g*), and will just go with it...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ oh gosh penny.. i believe they were in Treve.. i don't have that book in here with me.. it's in the living room.. but i do believe it was in Treve.. *i hope i got that right*..

penny{Kyo}~~~ Were any familiar characters in Witness? pen can't wait till we can afford to buy it...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ well.. there's a prisoner in Witness, penny.. one that don't remember whom he is.. but.. i think it's going to be a VERY familiar person when/if Prize of Gor goes into it.. cause right now.. i may think i know.. but.. can't be sure yet.. ~s~..

desiree{Algernon}~~~ just checked...most of my duplicates and triplicates are in the lower volumes

heavenscent{S}~~~ ~*lil squirm to her,as heaven smiles to mistress jazzie*~
ooooh heaven couldnt pick one....~ probably a tie between slavegirl and magicians....

penny{Kyo}~~~ pen liked phoebe in Magicians... but had to slog along with figuring out how the story had come to that point, as we're missing the book that tells the story right beforehand...
*looking to jas hopefully for the title*

heavenscent{S} ~~~vagabonds?

kila{Luc/p}~~~ jasma, i am just getting started on my reading.
jaide sent me the file to Tarnsman of Gor part1, so that is where i have started.

heavenscent{S}~~~ ~* heaven loves the quotes she finds for slavegirl~*
even without reading lots of the books,er some of the books ~ if you feel what is being written ,its so breathtaking...

penny{Kyo}~~~ *nodding to heaven*
Yep, that's the one we're missing...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ Vagabonds, penny.. i'm missing it as well.. and Renegades is the pre... into Vagabonds.. so.. it's driving me nuts i don't have it.. LOL

penny{Kyo}~~~ Slave Girl was one of pen's favorites, too, but pen liked Captive a wee bit better, just for the interaction between the girls...

penny{Kyo}~~~ you sound like us, jas, pen read renegades, then magicians...and pouted the whole way through, since so much didn't make sense in the beginning....

desiree{Algernon}~~~ hmmm...love Captive....

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ ~nodding to kila~.. i'm glad jaide sent you the file.. since it is the first book.. it is an excellent place to start.. gives you the sense of the background into Gor.. ~smiling~
i agree heaven.. the slave girl quotes can be quite.. *impressing* on one..

kila{Luc/p}~~~ jasma, i was not sure i would understand the book, to me from all i had heard, it sounded confusing...but i must admit, i started reading it and couldn't put it down.
i look forward to other readings

penny {Kyo}~~~ kila, they're good stories, especially the first ten or so, that sort of follow an ongoing theme...

kila{Luc/p}~~~ ~gigglin with excitement~
ohhh see now you all are getting me excited about reading more i am going to pull an all nighter to finish part 1 ~s~

heavenscent{S}~~~ *~warm smile to kila*~ you know we can borrow some from Master and i,too *hugs*

penny{Kyo}~~~ There used to be a site where the first ten, anyway, were available to read online.. is it still around?

kila{Luc/p}~~~ ~bright blue eyes~
ohhhh thank you heaven ~hugs~

shirin{SholGar}~~~ shirin just had to share a new favorite quote....
"On Gor," she said, "I have experienced feeling and sensations I never knew could exist. Inhibitions have been shattered, some of them commanded by strong men and the blows of the whip. I have learned to live and to feel. My emotions have been freed. My deepest sexuality and nature have on this world at last been fully liberated. I have found myself. I love and I serve. I now know at last what and who I am, a love slave for uncompromising Masters."
Rouge of Gor, pg 18

heavenscent{S}~~~ ooooohh shirin,one of heavens very very favorites... going to grab her fav *g*

penny{Kyo}~~~ Very nice quote, shirin...

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ excellent quote shirin.. thanks for sharing..

kila{Luc/p}~~~ ~excited smile~
ohhh shirin, that is a wonderful quote
~saving it~ *s*

heavenscent{S}~~~ I wished a Man would throw me to my belly
and lock a collar to my throat.
I wished to lie trembling at His feet
in the shadow of His whip
knowing that thenceforth weither i wished it or not
im alive souly for
........and service

Appropriate Age to begin reading the Gor books

penny{Kyo}~~~ What do you guys think is an appropriate age to read the first few books, or really any of them?

shirin{SholGar}~~~ 18, at least penny...they are constantly having sex...and in the streets ~laffs~

penny{Kyo}~~~ *chuckling to shirin*
But if you think about romance novels, they're way sexier... JN doesn't really describe sex, his boooks are more of a social commentary... i can remember reading romance novels in jr high.... maybe that was part of my trouble... *g*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ my personal opinion.. i think the earlier books, that age 15 may be appropriate.. but not the later books.. but i also think it should go with how mature the child is.. i know that i didn't read my first one till 4 years ago.. and only because i didn't know they existed..
but i know some people that started reading them when they were 13.. and that to me, may be a bit too young.

shirin{SholGar}~~~ this is true penny....maybe, maybe 16...
~giggles~ me too, penny

penny{Kyo}~~~ Master read his first one somewhere in his late teens, and it was the one with a girl bound to the prow of a ship on the cover (can't remember titles!).. and they shaped his thinking about male female relationships to some extent....

shirin{SholGar}~~~ shirin feels the books were written for adults, there is alot to take in and understand...look at the discussions around here sometimes

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ i believe that one is Guardsman of Gor, penny.. ~s~..
and yes.. i agree as well as they're written for adults.. yet there are some younger than 18 that show a great maturity and do understand more than perhaps what some give them credit for..

penny{Kyo}~~~ Very true, shirin.... the books are much more philosophical than mere smut books... they're a great study in sociological principles, though might tie in nicely with a discussion on Roman life, as a lot of the ideas seem based on that era....

shirin{SholGar}~~~ you both bring up very good points....

penny{Kyo}~~~ pen just has to be very careful with three daughters, as the books end up laying all over the house, and our oldest is just like me... definitely headed down the path of a submissive... the other girls could care less, as i'm always walking around the house nude (very much a nudist... *g*), so books with bound women on the covers don't seem to phase them....

penny{Kyo}~~~ Does anyone else have issues with the books being about the house with children of reading age? pen has never specifically pointed them out as something that they can't read, they're just sort of...there.....

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ i asked Master that question penny.. He said that He feels 16 is a good age to start..

shirin{SholGar}~~~ totally agree mistress ~nods~

penny{Kyo}~~~ *nodding to jas*
That sounds about right... when they get to an age where they show enough maturity to ask intelligent and responsible sorts of questions about the books, then that is probably the time to say it's fine to read them....


kila{Luc/p}~~~ may i ask a question for all of you??

kila{Luc/p}~~~ ~tilts head a lil~
i was just wondering, when each of you were new to Gor, how did you find it easiest learning??
by reading??
by watching??
or by a lil bit of both??

penny{Kyo}~~~ By doing! *grinning*
Jumping right in and participating was penny's best teacher.... to learn all that she needed for serving, Master made penny write the slave manual out by hand... oooh, did she know the material by the time she was finished!

shirin{SholGar}~~~ getting in trouble and learning from the harsh words of a Master ~giggles~ shirin learned for the first year only by watching and doing, she only started reading after a year or so on gor, tho she read many websites

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ a little of both, kila.. as well as having wonderful sisters to be able to ask questions of..
for myself.. i know that just by watching.. only can teach one so much.. with the books also though.. it sort of gave things a whole new meaning..

heavenscent{S}~~~ by leaping in with 2 feet and doing!
serving ...pleasing......feeling..surrendering...~*
your Master will mold and guide you as He sees fit ~*
dive in sweet kila *s* a world controled by Men,awaits you and you will truly never feel,freer in all your life ~sincere smile~

kila{Luc/p}~~~ ohhh i omitted asking by "doing" penny, cause well ~giggles~
i was not sure how that would work...with the rules and restrictions of each Gorean Room
~turns to penny more~
so if you just jumped in, did you have any knowledge of Gor when you did that...or were you as wet behind the ears as i am ~soft laff~

shirin{SholGar}~~~ wow, really sis ~whispers as big eyes look to penny~

penny{Kyo}~~~ *thinking*
With that siad, though, pen was fortunate to marry into a nearly complete collection of the books... so reading them as she was learning put it all into perspective....

penny{Kyo}~~~ pen was totally unfamiliar with Gor when she started out online, though had the benefit of being married to a man who had read the books twenty years ago... pen had some harsh lessons, was always in trouble, but just kept plugging along... *g*
And yep shirin, Master found the book where pen had done all that writing just the other day, and chuckled over having made me do that....

kila{Luc/p}~~~ ~smiling at all the wonderful answer as i hold up my trembling hand~
i am sooo excited and scared all at the same time. by this day next week i will be owned by Master Lucient and i have such a fire to make Him proud!! i know mistakes will be made, but i just don't know where to begin.
well yes i do, i have begun by putting my heart, mind, body, and soul in His trustful hands....but i know there is so much more this girl has to learn about serves and knowledge *s*

shirin{SholGar}~~~ shirin didn't have a clue when she stumbled into GS one late night...
yes, the books do give much more understanding to the whole picture mistress, tho shirin got along pretty well for a year, she really had to strive to please, always fearful of being displeasing

penny{Kyo}~~~ *grinning*
pen is stil lin trouble quite a bit, as she doesn't think slaves need to be all alike, and pen is a weensie exuberant at times for many Masters that she encounters around Gor...

penny{Kyo}~~~ *smiling as she listens*
Trust is where it all begins, and absolute obedience to his will... the rest will fall into place, cutie....

heavenscent{S}~~~ *~knowing this was said in lastweeks class~* but it is HUGE helpful to learing all there is to learn..
kila ~* when heaven started she kept a notebook ~
jotting down important stuff ~ lil stuff,big stuff...
to refer back to ~ to lean on ~ its really priceless ~
still is fun to now go back and look how long and stumbling my journey has been *s*

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~smiles peacefully to kila~ what a wonderful feeling sis, cherish it well and serve with your entire being

shirin{SholGar}~~~ oh yes, shirin too keeps a notebook, it's priceless and overflowing

kila{Luc/p}~~~ ~wide eyes as i listen to each of you~
wow, i need to give des a big ol hug when i see her next for inviting me in here tonight
i am feeling so much more comfortable about taking this journey as i listen to each of your own stories ~soft sighs as i smile brigther~

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ Master Luc is wonderful sis and will help you grow so much.. follow your heart and listen to him.. you will serve him well.. ~smiling~..
aye shirin.. i agree.. same way here for me.. just with the books.. it opened my eyes more..

penny{Kyo}~~~ *giving kila an impulsive hug*
you'll do fine, and will find yourself growing as a person as you explore your own personality through the experience....

kila{Luc/p}~~~ ohh heaven, that is a good idea
i did already start a journel website for Master Lucient, to read my daily thoughts and questions. perhaps i could use that place as well for the lil/big important things i learn *s*

shirin{SholGar}~~~ we meet each and every hand, kila, you ae very welcome to come ~winks~ that is if your new Master allows ~s~

heavenscent{S}~~~ ~*hugging kila~* oooh Master Lucient is a wonderful Master , you will do incredible sweetie ~

kila{Luc/p}~~~ ~smiling~ thank you for the encouraging words jasma and penny
thank you all
i hate to run, but r/t is seriously tugging at me, if you don't mind i would like to come back to next week's class *s*

kila{Luc/p}~~~ ~smiles at shirin~
thank you and i am sure He will be happy for me to come, i know when i speak with Him tonight, He will be surprised but in a good way

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ that would be an excellent idea, kila.. ~nodding~.. and as shirin said.. if Master Luc allows.. you're always welcome to come to slave discussions.

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ and with that.. and unless anyone else has anything.. slave class is over for the night.. same place and time next hand..

shirin{SholGar}~~~ wonderful class discussion tonight ~smiles~
~licking more lil stars and puts one on jas's belly, just above her belly button~

penny{Kyo}~~~ *wiggling her tummy about to make the star dance*
Whoooeeee! pen should go run about and show off her gold star... maybe that should be a new dance....
*thinking furiously now, imagining how to put the dance together*

heavenscent{S}~~~ ~*huggging the girls*~ rising
thanks mistress for leading class again this week *~ means so much for us to have a place to learn

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~presses a lil gold star on heaven's belly and one too on des's, tickling her and crawls away quick~

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ now next week.. i'd like to talk about whips.. slave whips.. the Snake.. and the Whip Knife..
i thank you all for showing tonight and participating..

penny{Kyo} ~~~ Yikes... whips... *rubbing her backside and grinning*
penny will be ready, as long as there won't be any actual demonstrations happening.... *g*

then we went to the tavern for slave wine dosing

class ended at 21:07:35 poolside chat time.